A British Brodie 'Tommy' steel helmet with net and leather lining. Manufacturing Co - Philadelphia - Pennsylvania. I suppose your cousins in the US would call it Tommy helmet the Germans went for salad bowl. When the helmets are viewed side by side it is easy to see why so many people confuse one for the other. Leatherwear Co of America - Brooklyn - New York. The American shell is heavier. The helmets I have seen wereUSM1 helmets, however they might have worn the Brodie pattern too earlier on. About this item Reproduction of the World War Two British Brodie Helmet complete with a sprung webbing chin strap. The helmet was painted a camouflage mix of green, blue and orange, though a variety of alternative colours were also introduced for use in different theatres. Helmets were procured from British supply until such point as the Americans could supply themselves with their own helmets. By this time a number of additional changes had been introduced to the rim design and the helmet was now known as the Mark I. Is it possible to take a better picture of the helmet, are there any markings inside? $11295 We offer a 100% return policy. It also depends on where the helmet came from, are you inthe US? For instance, we are all familiar with American troops digging up foxholes to serve as make-shift beds and trenches during the Battle of the Bulge in Belgium and eastern France in the winter of 1944. worked in or simply that he worked in a department in a parliamentary house, it's speculative at best I know ?. BASICALLY A DESCRIPTION OF HOW THE WW1 MKI BRODIE EVOLVED INTO THE WW2 MK2 STEEL HELMET,VIA THE INTER WAR MK1* VERSION..AND HOW TO TELL THEM APART.EACH HELMET WILL ALSO HAVE ITS INDIVIDUAL. Royal Welsh Fusiliers who died 11/03/1915 FAUQUISSART MILITARY CEMETERY, LAVENTIE France ' It is a much heavier and more robust design. As for the number/letter code, that is the code for the manufacturer and the manufacturer's lot number. A Google search only returns one hit-another helmet with the stamp-but I dont see XHF in any manufacturer listings. The M1 was only finally replaced as the standard issue military helmet for the United States armed forces in 1983, over forty years after it first entered mass production. Frankston RSL Sub Branch Munition, German 75 mm. With New Vegas, I luckily was able to use the NCR Trooper Helmet, but there is no helmet like that in this game. . liners in them, so it would not matter if you were to put an other makers liner in it as long as it's the same date as the shell. It wasundoubtedly a welcomerelief from having the helmet constantly bounce up and down on the top of the wearer skull while running across no mans land. (hums softly, to the tune of Guantanamera:). I'm posting them as quick as I can wrap them up, Haven't tweeted in a while. English: The "Brodie" shrapnel helmet was the flat steel helmet worn by British Empire troops in the first and second world wars, and U.S. troops in World War I. I have never seen one with a leather liner like this, it is spiralled around the entire helmet. Royal Army Medical Corps who died 22/02/1919 NUNHEAD (ALL SAINTS) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' The British Mark I chinstrap bails are made from 16 gauge brass or in some cases steel wire. Re: Help Identifying Brodie Helmet A post 1939 dated British Mk2, have a look around the chin strap lugs for a date/maker name. WW2 British Army Staff Officers Cap and Collar Tabs. "Orbita." Imperial Russian Adrian helmet. The American M1917 helmet shells were pressed and stamped into bowl shapes by 7 company's they were. The bail holder is secured to the helmets skirt by way of a steel split rivet. The most widely recognised Air Raid Warden's helmet insignia is the two-inch high 'W'.Depending on the air raid warden's rank he would have either a black helmet with white 'W' or a white helmet with black 'W' (plus one or two one-inch bars (separated by a half-inch gap) to denote seniority within the wardens' service).However, there are a thousands of helmets from various localities with a . engaged in defending high profile public building such as the Houses of Parliament. //-->, By The codeusuallystarts with a Z and is followedby a series of numbers. Though we never call it that. April 2, 2014 in OPH dailyinfo[4]=' Matrose Paul KURZKE Torpedoboot "G85" German Navy who died 04/03/1919 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' dailyinfo[29]=' Oberleutnant zur See Axel Carl Ludwig VON SCHOENERMARCK S.M.S. helmets which have a wide range of different paint colours and textures, most of these new helmetswere made in early 1941. The A.E.F. The color of paint used by both the British and American manufactures do show some similarity. G. Budd Manufacturing Co. ), ( ZJ- Marks belong to Columbian Enamelling & Stamping Co. ). Get 5% Off With Coupon Code itscold Offer Ends 3/1/2023, The Brodie to the M1: The Evolution of Americas Most Famous Military Helmet. The main part of the helmet was the steel shell or cap which was produced from non-magnetic Hadfield Steel, a steel and manganese alloy similar to that which the British had begun to employ to make the Brodie helmet as early as 1916. "Foyle." Unfortunately the helmet was in a shed for many years so is quite rusted. dailyinfo[23]=' 9656 Private Isaac COOPER "A" Coy. The Advanced Combat Helmet, the current combat helmet used by the U.S. Army, was included (size large, denoted ACH) for comparison to current combat helmets. You cannot paste images directly. One is stamped 1938 in the 'furniture' and is either RAF blue or a police issue type. Display as a link instead, The bail holder is secured to the helmets skirt with a steel harness rivet. View detail. The sellers description may read, American WWI helmet or British WWI helmet. There are some small differences though, one being British chinstrap have stamped steel or brass slide buckles while the Americans favored cast steel slide buckles. WW1 US AEF Unit Flashed Brodie Combat Helmet & Liner 374540440490 Me and a mate found. dailyinfo[19]=' 9228 Corporal George F. PARRY 2nd Bn. 2012-2023 WW2HELMETS.COM. Powered by Invision Community, US WW1 and WW2 Brodie Helmets and Maker Stamps. var fontend = '' Highland Light Infantry who died 19/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' I believe they were numbered 1-24. Both helmet have a similar dome and similar skirt. WW1 British Brodie Helmet recovered from the SOMME. From left to right: A pair of clamped chin straps with male snaps for the parachutist M1 helmet and liner next to a pair of standard infantry chinstrap used from early 1950s to the mid-1970s. Here is a good thread with a posting describing the British manufacturer codes. I'm sorry I could not find a post 1916 stamp (see below for two examples of post Aug 1916 stamps. 3rd Bn. McCord Radiator, Ford Motor Company were both known to have made P17s, but there wereundoubtedly more. Both manufacturers stamped their helmets with a two to four-digit number followed by a letter, but Schlueter also stamped an 'S' beneath their heat stamps. Yet its use did not stop there. It's a little difficult to provide much information from just a picture. Im thinking about making a visit to the Imperial War Museum in London to show one of their specialists as it seems to be hard to find information about it. This is an excellent . dailyinfo[8]=' 13277 Labourer Klaas NERO South African Native Labour Corps who died 08/03/1917 PUGU ROAD 1914-1918 MEMORIAL Tanzania ' Developed by John L. Brodie, the Model 1915 "Brodie" helmet, also known as the "Tommy" helmet, was the first steel helmet introduced to British soldiers during WW1. Accordingly many countries have used the M1 themselves until recently, while a small number of countries continue to use this Second World War helmet in their armed forces. There are 3 letters painted on the front i think it could be either one of these combinations: Your previous content has been restored. Your previous content has been restored. Those U.S. forces that worked with the French Army wore the Adrian Helmet. This difference along is enough identify the origin of the helmet. Thus, over a quarter of a century it had seen widespread service from the trenches of northern France in 1915 to the flight from that same region twenty-five years later, an action which ensured that Britain could continue the fight against Nazi Germany. Middlesex Regiment who died 25/02/1921 LADYWELL CEMETERY United Kingdom ' Category:Brodie helmets. Known M1917 Helmet Liner Manufacturers Stamp Marks. He said it has a separate rim and a serial number of ZA57. June 9, 2018 in dailyinfo[20]=' 10259 Private Charles BUCHANAN 1st Bn. dailyinfo[1]=' Staff Nurse Edith Mary CAMMACK Associate of the Royal Red Cross, 2nd Class 4th Southern Gen. Hos. 4th Bn. dailyinfo[30]=' B/469 Worker Charles BARLOW Australian Munition Worker who died 30/01/1918 NORTH SHEEN CEMETERY United Kingdom ' Download this stock image: Canada's Brodie Seger, left, signs a fans helmet after the men's World Cup downhill ski race was cancelled at Lake Louise, Alberta, Friday, Nov. 25, 2022. dailyinfo[3]=' 45 Gunner HAZURA SINGH 31st Mountain Battery Indian Mountain Artillery who died 03/03/1920 TEHRAN MEMORIAL Iranm ' During the 1920s, the Army investigated several designs. Vimy Ridge?, First to adopt Motor machine guns, feared by the Germans for our Shok troop tacktics..HEE HEE HEE, just picking on you. It was made of mild steel originally, but this was quickly dispensed with and a harder type of steel was introduced alloyed with manganese, a mixture known as Hadfield Steel after its developer, the English metallurgist, Sir Robert Hadfield. dailyinfo[22]=' 25368 Quartermaster Serjeant Leonard Henry CADE Meritorious Service Medal 12th Coy. Mar 11, 2023 Confederate Id'd Saber by Haiman, 31st Virginia $2,100. 25.00 1 bid 5.35 postage 5d 19h Click & Collect Repro British Army WW2 Plastic Helmet Tommy Doughboy Brodie Style WWII Soldier 12.99 Click & Collect Free postage When the First World War erupted in the autumn of 1914 all of the major powers were lacking any type of military headgear which could offer effective protection in the face of modern warfare and weaponry. Recently on another Great war forum, a collector asked what the FKS on the inside of his WW1 brodie shell meant. Everything for sale on WW2Helmets.com is completely legal to own, trade, sell and transport within the United States of America. Leinster Regiment who died 27/02/1918 JERUSALEM MEMORIAL Israel and Palestine (including Gaza) ' Bluecher German Navy who died 29/01/1915 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' M1 Helmet Identification; Shipping; Sizing; 1-877-862-5245; TOP POTS - DEDICATED TO M-1 HELMET PRESERVATION. Whether it be a small antique shop, militaria show or even an online auction. Discussion board for World War 1 reenactors. Please enquire in advance about our arrangements for telephone bidding. It seems to happen frequently. Hi J.H.E. The liner should be afixed in the helmet using a single copper rivet that is peened. The Great War Forum Limited If it is red paint then I would agree with Colin that fire serviceis likely, perhaps even from an RAF base. Over time this would nullify any anti-reflective properties the finish possessed thus putting the wearing in danger. In the photo it looks like it could be surface rust? And later the Germans. A thick felt pad was fitted to the top of the skull interior to aid in cushioning against impact. SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN France ' By holding a British shell in one hand and an American shell in the other the weight difference is obvious. var day=mydate.getDay() By knowing about a few small details the buyer will never make the mistake of purchase the wrong helmet. The asbestos pad is quite safe it is only the thickness of thick paper, my only doubt is the chin strap mounts they are, riveted the British used split pins. Easiest well to tell if the shell is Brit or US is by how the chin strap bails are held in place. I think it would be a perfect fit alongside the gas masks in the game, especially with the hype for Battlefield 1 and all. I think I'll be doing more Vietnam stuff. Greetings. Mark 2 Belgian Clone of the British Brodie helmet. Pasted as rich text. dailyinfo[7]=' Lieutenant Thomas Sydney Ough DEALY Australian Flying Corps who died 07/03/1918 STONYHURST COLLEGE BURIAL GROUND United Kingdom ' After the war he was, as prior stated, he held a very high position and worked in surveying land and buildings for military purposes, including Goonhilly which was his most famous and he even chose that name. Or there are new reproduction liners also on line for sale. (Jeff McIntosh/The Canadian Press via AP) - 2NHRH10 from Alamy's library of millions of high resolution stock photos, illustrations and vectors. Could somebody post a beginner's guide to what exactly a Brodie helmet is, if there was any other type of British helmet in WWI, and how they differed from WW2? Head Gear POOR MANS MILITARIA. dailyinfo[29]=' Oberleutnant zur See Axel Carl Ludwig VON SCHOENERMARCK S.M.S. WW2Helmets.Com observes all Federal, State and local laws. Although the helmet shells do look the same they do not feel the same. Category. Next to this code there are a series of numbers. It may be tempting for some to say because the two types of helmets look so similar they are the same. I need help identifying some markings on the second world war brodie. Specification. dailyinfo[18]=' 6422 Private Charlie GILBERT 4th Coy. The final push in using the Brodie was a variant which was produced in 1936 and which saw widespread service by the Norwegians during the German invasion of their country in the spring of 1940 and by the British Expeditionary Force in France several weeks later. I've not seen that stamp mark before , it's not WW1, and I don't think it is WW2, it could bepost war. Very Solid condition. Generally soldiers were still being issued cloth caps or leather headgear of a kind which offered little or no protection from modern artillery and the shrapnel which sprayed out from it. I too have seen dates on these lugs most often the way your pictures show them. Antiques, Stamps, Coins & Militaria. Seaforth Highlanders who died 20/03/1919 BEIRUT WAR CEMETERY Lebanese Republic ' The American P17 chinstrap bail negated the flaws of the British design. ", You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. var day=mydate.getDay() Kings Royal Rifle Corps who died 02/03/1915 YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL Belgium ' Consequently a plastic liner, engineered by the car company, General Motors, was introduced, and it was this method, albeit with some alterations to the chin straps and other accoutrements, which was employed for decades in conflicts such as the Korean War and the Vietnam War. 1-877-862-5245; Home; Contact; About Us; Why Top Pots; The Brodie helmet, nicknamed after it's designer, John Brodie, was Britain's answer in 1915 to the disproportionate number of head wounds by troops at the front. dailyinfo[8]=' 13277 Labourer Klaas NERO South African Native Labour Corps who died 08/03/1917 PUGU ROAD 1914-1918 MEMORIAL Tanzania ' You can post now and register later. If its a British helmet, could it be one provided to the Americans before American helmet production caught up? All orders are shipped the same day from within the USA. 1st Bn. 2nd Bn. Unfortunately, your registration has been declined by the auctioneer. Worcestershire Regiment who died 23/02/1915 LOKER CHURCHYARD Belgium ' The shape of the helmet was also somewhat similar to the Brodie in that it was based around a circular steel cap which provided maximum protection to the top of the head, with the rim protecting the ears and upper face. DPB U.S. M2 82nd Airborne Pathfinder Camo. else { document.write(fontstart+"No major events today"+fontend); } Thank you for that feedback! If anyone knows something about the helmet please tell me I'm very interested to here what you guy are going to say. It's easy! A later study at the end of the Second World War would show that approximately 54% of bullets which hit the M1 of servicemen in Europe and the Pacific failed to penetrate the helmet. Royal Army Medical Corps who died 22/02/1919 NUNHEAD (ALL SAINTS) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' dailyinfo[22]=' 25368 Quartermaster Serjeant Leonard Henry CADE Meritorious Service Medal 12th Coy. I looked around and could not find any listings for that steel maker. My reply to to that collector is below "If the Brodie Red stamp has the words "patent applied" then it's pre pre Aug 1916 , post Aug 1916 stamps were marked "patent no.1 18 03/16". Though, my opinion is that the helmet is an American M1917. L31cm x D29cm x H12cm. At the outbreak of WWII, the U.S. military . on the American helmet they look very crudely overlapped. I'm thinking the lettering could refer to a department he possibly. 6 Reserve Lorry Park Royal Air Force who died 28/02/1919 BELGRADE CEMETERY Belgium ' I find the M1 an excellent helmet when properly adjusted. Powered by Invision Community, (In no particular order) Follow. Pasted as rich text. In all around 900,ooo of these helmets were made by McCord's. They also have a similar liner and chinstrap. Antique World War II helmet stamped and dated 1942 Canadian Army Brodie helmet made by General Steel Wares of Toronto shopatlanticcanada (133) $191.29 Vintage WWII Army Helmet 1940s Canadian Brodie MKII WyrembelskisVintage (1,643) $165.00 vintage army metal doughboy helmet IronCharlie (31) $345.00 FREE shipping The shape of the shell tells me its WWI manufacter. While the basic structure of the M1 remained relatively unchanged in the years that followed, the liner went through many different designs. Why I speak of our Canadian Great war forumyou know, us Canadians? The M1917 Brodie Helmet was manufactured by the Columbian Enameling and Stamping Company (Terre Haute, IN, USA). There should not be a threaded nut. O Gauge garden model railway Copyright Treasure Bunker Ltd Looks like an original Mk2 shell, obviously repainted. Keeping a village shop going, Upcoming changes to logging in - click here, GWF is free to use so please support the Forum. Sparks Withington Co - Jackson - Michigan. Really appreciate the expertise provided here and hoping that you can help me with the helmet pictured. My M1915 adrian helmet from the belgium army and british Brodie Mk1 helmet used from the USA, Haller's Blue Army Soldier: Uniform Identification. dailyinfo[6]=' 345190 Sapper Forrest A. KNOWLES Canadian Signal Corps who died 06/03/1921 REIDS MILLS CEMETERY Canada ' The finalised model which went into mass production using Hadfield Steel from late 1915 onwards weighed 2.4 pounds or 1.1. kgs. You cannot paste images directly. The two WW1 Brodie Helmets, British and American, are nearly identical. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. These will comfortably fit a head size 57-58 cm, or a tight 59. There is also a very faded 1st division emblem painted on the helmet. First questions and then the story. 5th Bde. In fact they all look the same to me apart from the liners 5 seconds on the google http://thebrodiehelmet.weebly.com/. Accordingly the main actors in the war quickly began developing new headgear. Original WWII British Brodie Steel Helmet in OD Green- WW2 Dated $114.95 400 sold ORIGINAL WWII BRITISH / CANADIAN 1941 HELMET $49.88 $18.00 shipping WW2 Canadian Dispatch Rider Helmet $149.00 0 bids $22.80 shipping 5d 17h Antique World War 2 British Brodie Helmet WW2 $44.00 0 bids $13.30 shipping 3d 11h or Best Offer Display as a link instead, The doughnut was added for the wearers comfort. "Foyle." I'm putting in a picture. It's hard for me to tell without the liner, but could the helmet be American Colin? British helmets were brush painted by hand. The Brodie was the first modern military helmet developed by Britain. dailyinfo[17]=' PLY/3566 Private Samuel ROBINSON H.M.S. View detail. Awesome, thanks for the replies. 1999-11-70-31 The Brodie design featured a brim 2in (5cm) wide, which protected the head and shoulders from above. To avoid a smooth reflective finish a small amount of river gravel was mixed into the paint. I am not sure if the colour is original, as most pictures shown here are of a lighter green. Firth & Sons. Its service history within the US armed forces spans a period of over forty years, being the standard issue military headgear for American soldiers between 1941 and 1983 and inspiring imitation models around the world. Menu. Welcome to the Treasure Bunker Forum - Please feel free to join and share your knowledge, with our growing data base of collectors and historians, both new and advanced. Follow on Instagram, The British Mark I Brodie & the U.S. P17, know the difference, M42 winter camo.