Concussion will do too much damage. Pentagon officials confirmed the basic details on Wednesday. You are right. Its a land grab and a hard lesson to NATO not to expand further east and Im afraid Ukraine who have been pro west since independence will pay the price. A Russian military ship armed with hypersonic missiles has sailed through the Strait of Dover, the narrowest part of the English Channel - only a few miles away from the English coast. Russian warships have been pictured off the coast of Britain, en route to a suspected bolstering of the bombing campaign on the besieged Syrian city Aleppo.. Royal Navy vessels were closely . UK could learn a few things by this process and not immediately scrap stuff. Earlier this year, Vladimir Putin said the 135-meter-long frigate would sail for the Atlantic, the Indian Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea with the latest generation hypersonic cruise missiles on board. Morning Spy. It requires us to hold their backyard at risk, whether thats in the Barents Sea, the High North, the Baltic or the Black Sea.. He also works for the NHS. He told officials the UK stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the Baltic state a Nato ally. They believe Mr Putin's troops are being positioned in line with his new objective, with armoured divisions set to head into neighbouring Belarus on exercise but now stationed within striking distance of Kiev. "The Sun", "Sun", "Sun Online" are registered trademarks or trade names of News Group Newspapers Limited. Nuclear centrifuge assembly plants. get her back in dock and rebuild her from the inside out. Spot on post! I think one of Moscow's long-standing goals has been to try to sow divisions between and within our countries and quite simply, we cannot and will not let them do that. Any toys the RN requires would magical appear on the Quay side, and the funds suddenly available. Russia has repeatedly denied that it is planning an invasion and instead demanded that NATO bar Ukraine from membership. Ukraine is not a NATO country, therefore Article 5 will not be called and NATO will not fight. So were Western economies corrupt, going back in time. That's why he wants to overthrow the government of Volodymyr Zelenskyj in Kyiv. Indeed you wouldnt need ships to eliminate those ducks as you wouldnt in the Dardanelles if they ever got in a pickle there either as Britain found out before the Gallipoli campaign became a hasty if equally ill fated alternative. THE Royal Navy has shadowed nine Russian warships stalking Britain's coast in the past two weeks. Also the Blockade the Atlantic Iceland gap. Ukraine warns Russia has 'almost completed' build-up of forces near border - CNN. Hope you dont mind but Ive sent your comment to HQ, should be worth a raise. Do you have a link on that drawdown, havent seen that comment before? Going after the Ukraine neatly side steps the maritime flank to some extent. The rest of Ukraine is a sovereign state and fully independent of anyone. Britain's BBC released footage from the ship showing a Russian coast guard warning that he would shoot if the British ship did not change course. So is his agenda really totally different? Russian Navy ships can be seen in satellite imagery approaching the Ukrainian Coast. This is why US UKRead more . Ill also add American Democrats have a strong distaste for Putin starting roughly in early 2017 when US intelligence agencies determined Russia helped elect Trump. In a sense he might as well go for as much of Ukraine as he can get hold of because the penalties are just the same. We reported earlier that amid ongoing tensions between Russia and Ukraine, the Russian navy has sortied 5 Ropucha-class landing ships and one Ivan Gren-class landing ship from their Baltic fleet, likely headed to the Black Sea. Stand by to be surprised. Xi has exactly the same problems internally in China and may be actually undetaking a modern genocide of the Uighur for which the Taiwan crisis is his distraction. According to French newspaper La Voix du Nord, another Russian tanker appeared to be heading to the Atlantic Ocean, sailing along the Boulonnais coast on the Strait of Dover, 20 miles away from Great Britain. We are in a potentially high risk scenario all it takes is a trigger point. The US Coast Guard said Wednesday it is monitoring a Russian ship near Hawaii. Apart from Qaswem Soleimmani. The British destroyer visited the Ukrainian port of Odessa this week, where an agreement was signed for Britain to help upgrade Ukraine's navy. Thats an oversight. George Allison In his annual Defence speech, General Sir Nick Carter also said it was 'too early to plot the demise of the tank'. This is howRead more , Thats reassuring.Thanks. Yes, have to agree, Gallipoli wasnt one of our finest ever ventures. Test capabilities. You forgot Estonia which is British led! And in the Western Military District, a missile regiment armed with S-400 Triumf mobile, surface-to-air missile system conducted electronic launches at a range in Leningrad region. production rates are a worry. At least they didnt decimate their armed forces like the UK and most of its allies as a result of peace dividend at end of cold war. READ NEXT:Army poised to send 'game-changing' tanks to Ukraine to smash RussiaBefore and after maps show Russia's territorial losses in UkraineUK tanks to cause 'real problems' for Russia on Ukrainian frontlineCleverly under pressure over German spy - Britain battles 'silent war'Putin replaces 'General Armageddon' after three months in top job. Lets be honest, in hostilities, they wouldnt be sailing unescorted or going through the channel! But T31 isnt designed or intended to be a high end anti submarine Frigate, more a general purpose Frigate for more day to day operations ,anti piracy ect but capable enough to operate as part of a task group. Erm, theres certain CO of a T23 on TV at the moment who disagrees with you not to mention Radakin hgiving HoC evidence, I havent see the show, so Ill take your word on it, Surely if Russia invades Ukraine theres gonna have to be big increases in defence and security spending were gonna have to reinforce all Eastern European alliance members for that matter any country world wide that feels threatened buy any powerful country, Hi Geordie, Youd think so. HMS Dragon, though reportedly armed with Harpoon, is being put in harms way without a modern AShM. As they have plenty of gear around Ukraine already it makes sense that at least some of the 6 are bound for Tartus. Screen for heightened risk individual and entities globally to help uncover hidden risks in business relationships and human networks. View our online Press Pack. Their speed, range, persistence on station, sensors stealth and firepower make them the modern day battleships, only vastly more effective. I think Putin is going to have to attack or look weak. "These aircraft posed no immediate threat to HMS Defender, but some of these manoeuvres were neither safe nor professional," Britain's Wallace said. Trump was right about Germany being too dependent upon Russian gas and some EU states not spending enough on defence. The only Ukraine people fighting for their independence are those in the Donbas. I can see why you next comment was For starters. Without listing specific equipment plans General Carter hinted long-range precision rockets, air defence missiles and surveillance drones would be brought into service. As far as Im aware there isnt any part of the channel that is not either British or French waters. Id call it a battle group wholly equipped with obsolete AFVs. See here for a complete list of exchanges and delays. Ill think you well find Im disagreeing with a nut job who thinks Salisbury was a UK government conspiracy lol. Oh, that would be Slovakia and Poland for example who have NATO aircraft from America not to mention eFP fighters in Lithuania, Estonia and Bulgaria. Correction. As @RB has posted a lack of ASM is not high on the list of RNs priorities, whatever the reasons. Thanks Mark it just seems that the way that some outlets are reporting this ongoing story ,could in fact do more damage than good .As with some people on these threads ,that are goading eachother into what better weapons would do the most damage ,when the most destructive weapon is their Mouse/keyboard I know its just keyboard banter but my God theres some who really do want it too kick off. There is also a chance of that senario, Trouble is it is Trumps policies towards NATO ( even threatening to leave it) and distaste for Europe that has given the impetus to Putin to try this on. One can hope that cooler heads will prevail, and we start sorting ourselves out! Is funny that in America when Trump was President the media said he had made a secret deal with Putin but now that Biden is President and has verbally given Putin the OK to invade Ukraine the US media says nothing but how great Biden is. @RoyalNavy ships @hms_tyne and @HMSDragon have escorted three Russian warships through the North Sea and English Channel as part of a unified response with allies. But why would Russia deployed troops in Iraq 2003 to save Despot Sadams skin? Which begs the question why? What sonar or anti submarine equipment will t31 possess? The Sentinel 2 satellite image, taken at 11:47 local time, shows at least 14 vessels. Find out more. Blocking the straits is a far cry than just a few drone attacks. Russia released footage filmed from a Russian SU-24 bomber flying close to the British ship. It had been thought Mr Putin would choose the 'simple option' of sending troops into the Donbass region in south-eastern Ukraine and then negotiate for it to become an independent state, providing a buffer between pro-western Ukraine andRussia. On the face of it, Trumps position on the Right of the political spectrum, should have placed him as a hard opponent of the Russians but he was like a contrite schoolboy sitting next to Putin. And if we enter a shooting war with Russia. Yes theyve probably done more to modernise than laggards such as Argentine or Germany, but in conventional terms the European members of NATO alone could militarily contain Russia without Americas help. Social Media and Comment Moderation Policy, New British nuclear missile submarine reaches milestone, Despite funding concerns Type 32 Frigate still planned, European deployment successfully completed by Royal Navy, UK and US nuclear missile submarines send message to Russia, UK signs for Aster 30 Block 1 anti-ballistic missile weapons, Royal Navy seeking loitering munitions for ships, https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2022/01/us-sends-more-military-equipment-ukraine/361042/ , NATO battlegroup in Bulgaria reaches full capability, BBC announces new aircraft carrier documentary. Wow so they first entered service about the same time as the Type 21s ! Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev last week warned the United States that the hypersonic missiles would soon be close to NATO's shores. The official warned the Kremlin: 'Our message, and that of our allies and partners, is that Russia has two choices: diplomacy and de-escalation, or escalation and massive consequences. The ships - which included a . I have faith in the crews and TTPs, I have limited faith when the top brass dispense with offensive capabilities that the USN and every other major navy endorses. However, the MoD has failed to reveal which, if any, of the existing equipment programmes will be cut to reduce the funding gap. Where do they and other countries replace it from? Any damage to external sensors, VLS tubes, the bridge area, mast, or flight deck would be enough to take it out of the fight. You can unsubscribe at any time. France Germany etc may send troops to countries near Ukraine but fighting Ill be surprised. Thanks for that. NATOs multinational battlegroup in Bulgaria reached full operational capability on Wednesday. The ships, which can each carry up to 25 armoured personnel carriers, were deployed three days ago but it remains unclear if they are heading for Ukraine. True , I seem to remember one the OSINT Bunker pod cast guys saying if they start to move Air assets near the Ukraine border than probably the war is on , they have just done that. it was not to long ago that a few Russian soldiers died in a Russian barracks collapse, dont believe your own hype, and considering the Ukraine people are fighting for its independence, where they are stationed does not matter. George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval and cyber security matters and has appeared on national radio and television to discuss current events. Whilst the Canada and now Mexico border problems are now very real indeed. Again, your assessment that putting 2,000 US troops into Ukraine before the status quo has changed, would not have detered 100,000+ troops amassing on the border or the worldwideRead more . Unless of course you are a Putin oligarch;0). A capability upgrade as and when needed, might well happen. Which it now seems were there to pick up gear to take out of the Baltic, not across it. It has a much wider capture angle. In Moscow, Russia summoned Ambassador Deborah Bronnert for a reprimand over what it said were Britain's "dangerous" action in the Black Sea - while foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova accused London of "barefaced lies". A lot older but the modern B52 is like triggers broom. Final talks on NI post-Brexit deal as UK PM meets EU chief - No 10. Iran has already stepped up activities in the gulf region, recently attacked the UAE with drones from Yemen causing a few civilian casualties. Home of the Daily and Sunday Express. Really poor analysis of a foreign state. The guided missile frigate Admiral Gorshkov has been closely monitored by Nato navies on its maiden voyage armed with 6,670mph Zircon weapons. If the US had done this early enough the Russians would have back off. Russia said it had ventured as far as 3 km (2 miles) into Russian waters near Cape Fiolent, a landmark on Crimea's southern coast near the port of Sevastopol, headquarters of the Russian Navy's Black Sea fleet. if 25% could actually get out of harbour before breaking down! 'Clearly the preferable path, clearly the most responsible path and the one that we would prefer, but there is also the path if Russia chooses to renew aggression, of conflict, confrontation and consequences for Russia,' Blinken said. All quotes delayed a minimum of 15 minutes. THey may have a go at making life uncomfortable for the US there as well. Locally known as the UK Minister of Defence. In this second scenario NATO troops/aircraft dont even need to be in Ukraine thereby making it difficult for Putin to complain. The German government even went so far as to brief journalists on Tuesday that cutting Russia off from international banking systems - the so-called 'nuclear option' of sanctions - was off the table, prompting angry denials from Washington. But more significantly, the conclusion was the Belgrano would have been pummelled by the sheer weight of accurate fire that both Blake and Tiger could put down. The result is a net drop in drivers. The operation could begin with artillery, missile and air strikes on Ukrainian units in the south, and special forces units might seize bridges and railway junctions, allowing troops and tanks to advance, he said. Initially other then a echo sounder suite for navigation which is a safety requirement, there are no current plans for a ASW fit on the T31s, for the reasons you have stated. Russian deputy Defence Minister Alexander Fomin confirmed that the mission includes the relocation of two S-400 mobile surface to air missile battalions, a Pantsir-S battalion and 12 Su-35 fighters for the 'surprise' inspection and drills. And the Russian surface fleet is still very much made up of 80s tech, that isnt very reliable. Seizing southern Ukraine could cut Kyiv off from the coast and NATO's presence in the Black Sea, Melvin said, and could play well with Russian nationalists who see the area as the historic 'Novorossiya' lands or 'New Russia'. It seems a good time to propose it in the commons. one area that peeves me is that we no longer have the facilities to build produce the equipment fast enough. I note that you seen to have accepted my comments on the US border debacle. Last night, Kiev hailed Britain for sending anti-tank weapons and troops as an 'important first step' to help the country defend itself. The trick is to sort the rubbish and the facts, with good journalism there is always some good Intel to be gleaned. If you remember in WW2 GERMANY wanted to invade us, and we used means of blow up tanks etc to deter them. Push buttons. Europe must now start taking this threat seriously, re-arm and be prepared to fight. The . The Americans have just sent their first shipment of Aid to the Ukraine what was sent was classed as LETHAL Aid. Astutes dont need to surface to receive Comms, they are more then capable of receiving them whilst deep. During the last 2 years lots of HGV drivers left the profession, as happens every year. Under USSR the orders would come from Moscow but the big red button was at the command post for each group of silos in Ukraine. Commander Philip Harper, Severn's commanding officer, said: "In very challenging conditions with rough weather, Severn and several other British and allied ships have spent 20 days ensuring that Russian transiting warships remain under our watchful eyes.". I doubt it. Our potential foes are very clever and will exploit gaps. The Royal Navy said it is tracking the frigate and the tanker movements with an HMS Portland frigate, as it could carry what is considered to be one of the world's deadliest weapons. "By maintaining a visible and persistent presence, the Royal Navy ensures compliance with maritime law and deters malign activity to protect our nations interests. 'I am not ashamed to ask to help us with everything that is possible to avoid this war. I think so. It depends on the severity of what Russia will do if it invades. It was not immediately clear what equipment would be arriving today. 'Russia is stopped when it is stopped, not when Putin decided that he achieved enough.'. In new training drills yesterday, three dozen Russian warplanes including Su-34 fighter-bombers, Su-25 attack aircraft and MiG-31 fighter-interceptors flew from airfields in Perm, Krasnoyarsk,. They attack a completely different country miles from that one? Britain said Russia was giving an inaccurate account of the incident. The US Putting a small number of troops in Ukraine is a line in the sand a powerful symbol of intent to the Russians of repucussions if they invade. HITLER AND NAPOLEON DID AND LOOK WHERE IT GOT THEM. Munich - Officially, Vladimir Putin's goal in the Ukraine war is still to denazify the neighboring country. kill chain is very complex to find, track, and then engage a warship at range that doesnt want to be shot at. Two weeks ago nearly a dozen warships and combat aircraft from Russias Northern, Baltic and Black Sea fleets gave a show of force in the waters off the British and Irish coasts General Sir Nick Carter has said. The White Housewarned yesterday the situation was 'extremely dangerous' and that Moscow could launch an attack 'at any point'. Thats if of the few Astutes we have arent already chasing their own Oscars or Yasen. Ukraine has long accused Russia of having regular troops in the region, something Moscow denies. It does not stop Russia interfering in/invading Ukraine. I meant a small number combat troops postured to help the Ukranians defend themselves. Supplying intel and light weapons will not change the outcome much , Russia will win regardless of the losses shell receive. Two weeks ago nearly a dozen warships and combat aircraft from Russia's Northern, Baltic and Black Sea fleets gave a "show of force in the waters off the British and Irish coasts" General . No unvaccinated driver may cross the border and there are 10,000s of them. That is doing it at hands length, other, more shouted about, is skimming money when still on post and that is an area Ukraine is expert in,Read more , With Russia claiming they arent going to invade, they objective maybe another country altogether. NSM has a IIR seeker so it can discriminate but the target still needs to be there when it arrives to be discriminated against! As to the vaccine mandate, you are aware of the cross US/Canada border restrictions that came into force today that affect 50% or so drivers and the log jams in US west coast ports? You guys need more ships me thinks . I didnt think anyone could be worse than Trump. Comms on a dived Astute very limited. I think you overestimated Russias economy Ivan , its smaller than that nutty economy of Italys lol. What you are saying is if the US had pre-positioned a couple thousand troops in Ukraine, it wouldve prevented Putin from planning and then sending 100,000+ troops to the border along with simultaneous exercises across all their armed forces around the globe including this one: https://www.thejournal.ie/russia-missile-test-south-west-coast-ireland-5660829-Jan2022/. Well the attacks came from Yemen itself as did missiles over night last night they arent coming from Iranian soil. Broker a deal to have Russian military bases in their country. A multi-front assault might also involve a move into northeastern Ukraine, encircling but perhaps not entering cities where forces could get bogged down in urban fighting. I'm sure there will be no decision about [Ukraine] without [Ukraine],' he wrote. Something that clearly says were here, and were flying over Ukraine and you arent stopping us. The anti-tank weapon systems weve sent out recently are a welcome contribution alongside the stuff the US sent out last year, but much more should have been done and long before now. To see all content on The Sun, please use the Site Map. During his meeting with Zelensky today, Blinken reaffirmed the American commitment to his nation's sovereignty and said Ukraine had faced 'relentless aggression from Moscow' since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Historical animosity towards the Russians. Time to send some Astutes to the Med for target practice! British warships escort Russian fleet through English Channel, Turkeys first dedicated intelligence-gathering ship, TCG. Last night a senior defence source said: 'We strongly believe [Putin's] preference is for a full invasion rather than a limited offensive. A mere 3 BGs in total and designed just to reassure the people of Poland, Latvia and Lithuania. The fighting units the Russians have deployed are professional soldiers not conscrips. Leading to our militaries being optimised for fighting second rate foes. Thats one of the reasons the JSM in particular is getting the BAe RF receiver. That would make a great movie but better to follow the money trail back to Russia and other foreign powers. Or how much BS the kremlin comes up with, I think RT chat forum is your home you have many friends there Ivan lol. "If you don't change the course, I'll fire," a heavily accented Russian voice said in English to the British ship. See reply above. But the latest intelligence now has Ministry of Defence chiefs worried about a much larger incursion, raising fears of warfare engulfing cities and high civilian death tolls. Ryabkov, referring to Moscow's version of events in which a Russian aircraft bombed the path of the British destroyer, said that in future bombs would be sent "not only in its path, but also on target.". People always seem to vastly underestimate the effectiveness of a medium gun. Wallace should put his bloody foot down, overule objections and get an off the shelf system fitted PDQ. On Monday, two C-17 transporters left the UK with 2,000 armour-piercing missile systems and soldiers to teach Ukraine's forces how to use them. [However] when youre up against a determined opponent on the battlefield you have to go close and personal with your enemy. I have lost count how many times I have read about explosions in Iran over the past two years or so. Moscow has announced the 'successful' completion of tests on its Kinzhal - or Dagger - hypersonic missiles, which can carry nuclear or conventional weapons with a range of 1,250 miles, in the Arctic, though the weapons had been deployed with Russian forces ahead of the trials. He wants to get some skin in the game like the West has had the past 20 years. Didnt Bidens Son in law have an interest in the Ukraine (monetary) ? A senior State Department official said: 'This is neither an exercise nor normal troop movement. return to the tri nations agreement of 1899!! There is currently another Russian flotilla heading for the Med, this time the flagship cruiser and escort from their Pacific Fleet. LONDON, June 24 (Reuters) - Russia warned Britain on Thursday that it would bomb British naval vessels in the Black Sea if there were any further provocative actions by the British navy off the coast of Russia-annexed Crimea. ', After their meeting, State Department spokesman Ned Price warned the West was ready to impose 'crippling costs on Russias economy' if Putin chooses the path of 'further aggression.'. Its more difficult now given the numbers they have positioned. Yes we cant come to Ukraines aid in any meaningful way but this should be it now as far as the Baltics are concerned- reinforce the fuck out of them so they know what surrounded really means and, I hate to say this but trump was right the Germans are useless spineless allies and they dont deserve the support they have now, relocate all forces to Poland and the Baltics where it really matters. The US CSG in the med training with Italy and Spain no doubt this is positioned close by aswell. In a meaningful way I mean putting forces on the ground and in the air. Regime change? Im not sure to be honest. It can be logically assumed that KALIBR capability willRead more . At talks this week with the United States and NATO, Russia has sought security guarantees to defuse the crisis. Some showed messages saying:'Be afraid and expect the worst.'. russian dockyards will need to build more tugs. The Armys flip ups on procurement have disengaged us from effective land ops in NATO context. These vessels are more than likely head to Syria to onload stores. They now believe they have achieved their goal and no longer have to bowRead more , Err no. Could you tell me what youre drinking? If allowed to go unchecked, this will only serve to embolden both Putin and Xi, so interesting times ahead for all of us. There was the Orange revolution in Ukraine in 2004/5 that was the point that they started to orient themselves more with the West. One of Russia's newest, most advanced warships - the Admiral Gorshkov - docked in Havana some 90 miles from the southern tip of Florida, amid Russia's warnings to the U.S. about deploying missiles near Russia, the Associated Press reported Monday. UK, US and some Baltic states seem to be the only ones that seem they maybe willing to fight. Likewise the presence of Nato tripwire forces might just persuade Russian planners to step back.

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